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Tuesday, October 30, 2012
I got this
Tommy4Christ shared the following, and I thought wow! quite interesting, so
here goes, Some good meat here.
It all boils
down to repentance, and what it produces, get this wrong, that willful
rebellion against God leads to death.
Comes BEFORE Forgiveness of Sin.
As we can
see, throughout the Bible conduct (DEEDS) do matter and we will be judged based
upon our conduct. Repentance does not come AFTER someone has been supposedly
saved. Scripture shows that godly sorrow produces the repentance LEADING to
salvation (2 Cor. 7:10). For some people this might be over a period of time
and for others it is instantaneous. Whatever the case may be, repentance must
come first BEFORE the Holy Spirit is given.
says that he is not willing that any should perish, but all come to repentance
(2 Peter 3:9).
“And if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.” Christ was
lifted up from the earth on the cross. He draws all men, but that doesn’t mean
all men will accept the offer of salvation.
I don’t like
to use “big” words, but we must mention the word “Synergy.” Synergy is defined
as two or more things functioning together to produce a result not
independently obtainable. This can be seen in the matter of repentance. Though
God draws all men, it doesn’t mean God is going to repent for us. We must do
that. When we do our part, God will do His. This is working together.
“We then, as
workers together with him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God
in vain.” (2 Cor. 6:1)
workers together with him, not alone, both parties are involved.
mentions “the grace of God.” This is not just unmerited favor. The definition
of grace is: "Good will, loving-kindness, favor of the merciful kindness
by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ,
keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection,
and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues."
is extended to everyone, but there are those who do not want to be obedient to
this grace that God has extended to all mankind.
teaches. It instructs us:
grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us to
deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and
godly in the present age,”
remission (forgiveness) of sins, we must do something.
For godly sorrow
produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow
of the world produces death. For observe this very thing that you sorrowed in a
godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves,
what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication!
In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
If we were
to ask a person, “Must a child molester stop molesting children before he can
be saved?” Or “Does a thief have to stop stealing before he can be saved, or a
fornicator have to stop fornicating or a drunkard stop drinking before he can
saved? The answers will vary, but the bottom line is that they will tell us one
does not have to stop doing these things before they can be saved.
believe that man’s creation in Godlikeness included ability to choose between
right and wrong, and that thus he was made morally responsible; that through
the fall of Adam he became depraved so that he *cannot now turn and prepare
himself by his own natural strength* and works to faith and calling upon God.
But we also believe that the grace of God through Jesus Christ is freely
bestowed upon all men, enabling all who will to turn from sin to righteousness,
believe on Jesus Christ for pardon and cleansing from sin, and follow good
works pleasing and acceptable in His sight. We believe that man, though in the
possession of the experience of regeneration and entire sanctification, may
fall from grace and apostatize and, unless he repents of his sin, be hopelessly
and eternally lost."
As we can
see, he has the gospel in REVERSE. The Bible is clear that the sin must stop
(in repentance) BEFORE pardon can be granted.
wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thoughts; Let him return to
the LORD, And He will have mercy on him; And to our God, For He will abundantly
pardon.” Isa. 55:7
therefore, amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your
God; then the LORD will relent concerning the doom that He has pronounced
against you.” Jer. 26:13
of the Bible assumes that man is fully capable of obeying God and doing what
God has said to do, namely repent, STOP what you’re doing, and SEEK His mercy.
This message is clear through the whole Bible.
say they can't stop sinning without Jesus or without the Holy Spirit. How do
they explain the people of Nineveh?
people of Nineveh believed God, proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from
the greatest to the least of them. Then word came to the king of Nineveh; and
he arose from his throne and laid aside his robe, covered himself with
sackcloth and sat in ashes. And he caused it to be proclaimed and published
throughout Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let
neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste anything; do not let them eat, or
drink water. But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily
to God; yes, let everyone turn from his evil way and from the violence that is
in his hands. Who can tell if God will turn and relent, and turn away from His
fierce anger, so that we may not perish? Then God saw their works that they
turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said
He would bring upon them, and He did not do it.” Jonah 3:5-10
Here is the
preaching of repentance and the manner in which the mercy of God is dispensed
on the people. They did not need some special grace (some call it Prevenient
grace), Jesus, or the Holy Spirit to overpower them so they could repent. The
prophet told them the consequences of their actions if they continued in sin,
but gave them the way of escape through repentance.
that they did not assume they would be forgiven...they sought the mercy of God.
can tell if God will turn and relent, and turn away from His fierce anger, so
that we may not perish?"
interesting that a drug addict can stop his dependence on drugs without Christ,
a drunkard can stop drinking himself drunk without Christ, a thief can stop
stealing without Christ, a person addicted to pornography can stop it without
Christ, etc., but yet people who profess to be Christians have to sit back and
wait for God to “clean up their life,” as though they have no free will to make
the right choices.
A person who
is in bondage to indulgence is not a person incapable of choice, but rather a
person who has made a series of choices resulting in surrender of his will to
As with the
drug addict, the drunkard, the thief, the liar, the person addicted to
pornography, etc., who say they can’t resist these temptations, often find new
strength to do what they previously said they could not. For instance, tell the
man addicted to pornography that if someone were to hold a gun to his head and
threaten to shoot him if he were to look at the pornographic magazine, he will
not look. This could be said of any sins. If the drunkard were told by his
doctor that he only has six months to live if he keeps drinking, the drunkard
suddenly has been empowered to overcome his bodily addiction.
unsaved person teaches us is that when they make a successful choice not to
yield to their temptation, he has not only confirmed that one can cease from
his wrong choices, but also the power of free will. However, people who profess
to be Christians excuse their sins by saying they have not yet been delivered
from their “sinful nature.” They are constantly fighting this “mysterious other
self,” waiting for God to deliver them, but of course this struggle continues
all through life and it won’t end until they die!
all this, the first thing people will cry is, “You are saying you can save
yourself! The Bible says salvation is not of works! If we can stop sinning, we
don’t need Jesus!” But yet these same people claim they can’t STOP sinning when
they HAVE Jesus. As my friend Tommy has noted when it comes to working together
together with God isn’t being prideful, or trying to earn His mercy by bragging
“Look what I did,” but it’s more of being a doer of His word, obeying it from
the heart, and also realizing that any willful rebellion and disobedience to
His word leads to spiritual death and separation from God and His saving grace
We live in a
day where good is called evil and evil is good. We are told that those who live
righteous are self-righteous while those who are unrighteous, sinning everyday
in thought, word, and deed are in the true faith! In other words, if you don't
sin, you are a hypocrite, but if you do sin, you are good with God and are in
the faith. What utter foolishness to believe obeying God is impossible and
I have given
proof that “conduct” matters, but not in the sense that we can save ourselves.
What we need is a cleansing of sins, and this we CANNOT do. As a friend once
said, we need the atoning work of Jesus Christ because it is clear we haven't
obeyed God, NOT because we couldn't obey God. In fact, it is because we have
the ability to obey God that we are liable to punishment for our disobedience.
And it is because we deserve punishment that we need His atonement. But if we
couldn't obey, we couldn't be punished, and therefore wouldn't need Jesus.
While we are capable of obedience, our obedience is not capable of atoning for
our sins. Therefore our ability to obey does not nullify the necessity for the
atonement of Christ.
It is true
that the influence of the Holy Spirit draws us to Christ and conviction of sin,
and what JOY to be FORGIVEN of those sins, but it only comes when we turn
(repent) from our evil ways. We have to do the cleaning (forsake sin) and God
will do the pardoning. God is not going clean up anyone. Some people may give up
certain sins for selfish reasons, but their hearts were never turned to Christ
in faith and repentance.
There is no
pardon of sins without repentance. Repentance is an attribute of authentic
Spirit convicts the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and
judgment. The Holy Spirit is at work to convict people, to lead them to “godly
sorrow.” It is a sorrow that is according to the will of God that produces
repentance without regret, leading to salvation. (2 Cor. 7:10) If a person has
the “sorrow of the world,” that means he has simply been “caught” and not sorry
at all. He is void of godly sorrow that produce change in character. Peter, who
denied Jesus, fell away from the Lord. Jesus said, “But I have prayed for you,
that your faith fail not. And when you are converted, strengthen your
brothers.”Peter had godly sorrow. Peter wasn’t sorry he got caught, but he had
a godly sorrow that brought about repentance and God was able to mightily use
All of the
above has to do with our conduct. If works do not matter, as some proclaim,
they have been totally blinded to the truth by the lies of others. Don’t let
this happen to you, because it is YOUR soul at stake.
The idea of
holiness is hated more than any other Biblical doctrine, especially in the
church of today.
not a dirty word. It is the opposite of depravity in act, the opposite of sin.
an inward and outward conformity to God’s will. Holy means to be set apart. We
will not be holy until we first look to God and then imitate Him (Lev. 11:44;
Eph. 5:1-2). Christ is our example of what it looks like to be holy. Colossians
chapter 3 gives us a practical outline of what holiness looks like.
measure holiness as a list of dos and don’ts. Some people will call sin what is
not sin. A person who eats with his left hand might be considered a sin. If a
woman doesn’t wear a dress it’s considered a sin. Nonsense! Get rid of the
A person who
loves God doesn’t worry about a list of rules because he has faith which
worketh by love. (Gal. 5:6) It is the type of person he now is - the old
creature whose life was full of sin is now a new creature who lives a life of
love, hope and faith. In every aspect of our lives we have the kingdom of God
shining and within us. (Luke 17:21)
offering the parts of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness.
Instead, offer yourselves to God as people who have been brought from death to
life and the parts of your body as instruments of righteousness to God. Rom.
urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living
sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship. Do
not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the
renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's
will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will, Rom. 12:1-2
Tommy4Christ for sharing this wonderful explanation of the full Gospel of being