Sunday, July 28, 2013


Focus on what is good, perfect and correct, and as Jesus said only God his Father is good

Matthew 19:17

So He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”


Note: the above was before the cross and the glorified state of the Spirit of Christ at the resurrection, raised back to life by Father. Now Christ always pointed to Father and showed us how to depend on Father who was going to live in us (via Holy Spirit), same Holy Spirit that lived in him to guide us in his Love to all, and thus all is fulfilled in us by God's love through us that believe after the resurrection. No need for anything else except our Savior in the fore front with the praise and worship band leading

There is a before the cross and after the cross

Before we had to love to be loved,

Forgive to get forgiven

Do all that is right and be perfect if we want to enter heaven, this includes gouge out the eyes, or and cut off the hand if any part of the body caused one to sin under Law they would have to cut off or gouge out

Better for part of one to go to Heaven than all of one go to hell


Mark 9:43

If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—

Mark 9:45

And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—


That was before the cross under law, under the curse:


After the cross,

We love because God first loved us; this is a response to the Love of God


1 John 4:18-20 New King James Version (NKJV)

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.  19 We love Him because He first loved us.


Obedience by Faith


20 If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

WE forgive because God through Christ  God has forgiven us, another response to God

Before the cross all stressed out after the cross relieved in thankfulness and praises and worship in appreciation


Mix the two, and one stays in stress and continues to sin, for the flesh nature is still alive in that one and by the flesh nature is where one sins whether they want to or not.

Galatians 3:3

Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?



Galatians 6:8


New King James Version (NKJV)



8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.


God just love period shown to us by Christ, and thus change takes place from stress to rest, and trusting God in what God did for us by God's Mercy through the cross, go ahead and mix the two or believe in the one without the other.

But God wants :

Hosea 6:6

For I desire mercy and not sacrifice, And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Matthew 9:13

But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance

Matthew 12:7

But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless.


Love you by God's love from God to you, Mercy I have received, so Mercy shall I give



Matthew 18:22-35


New King James Version (NKJV)



22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.  23 Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants.  24 And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents.  25 But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made.  26 The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’  27 Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.


28 “But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’  29 So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’  30 And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt.  31 So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done.  32 Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me.  33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’  34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.


35 “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”



Ephesians 3:14-21


New King James Version (NKJV)



Appreciation of the Mystery


14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,  15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,  16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man,  17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love,  18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height—  19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.


20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, 21 to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.


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Tuesday, July 16, 2013


Do You Have Assurance of Salvation?

By Bob from People to people



Can a Christian have assurance of salvation? According to the Bible, the answer is “Yes!”


The Apostle John wrote in his first letter these encouraging words: “And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life” (1 John 5:11-13).


Assurance There is no wishful thinking in John’s statement. He boldly asserted that we can know with full confidence that eternal life is ours, that our salvation is sure.


For John’s words to become a reality in your life, you must understand what salvation truly is and what Christ accomplished for you through His death, burial and resurrection.


Paul gives us the most succinct statement concerning the nature of salvation in Romans 6:23: “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”


You and I come into this world under the wages of sin, dead spiritually. Ephesians 2:1 puts it this way, “And you were dead in the trespasses and sins.” In other words, we were not just sinners in need of forgiveness; we were spiritually dead and in need of life.


Salvation, then, is God’s act of making us alive in Christ. The following passages spell this out in detail.

•But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved— Eph 2:4-5 (ESV).

•And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our trespasses Col 2:13 (ESV).

•To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory Col 1:27 (ESV).


So, salvation is going from death to life. Jesus described it this way; "I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life” (John 5:24).


Jesus’ death on the cross guarantees that your salvation is secure. Through His death, Jesus took your sins and paid the penalty that you justly deserved. Your sins were judged. The verdict was guilty, and the punishment was death. God was satisfied with Jesus’ sacrifice on your behalf. Jesus dealt with sin once and for all.


The writer of Hebrews shows the completeness of Christ’s sacrifice: “Then he adds: ‘Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.’ And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin” (Hebrews 10:17-18).


Your eternal life is secure because of the eternal consequences of the cross.


When Jesus saves, He does so completely. Because of the cross, you can know with confidence that “He will never leave you, nor forsake you.”

Monday, July 8, 2013

primal sin, of Adam and Eve

From Christian, from twofeet in answering a post from MidniteWelder on original sin


No MidniteWelder, I am not saying Eve was innocent at all. A+ B= C...if you eat of this fruit you shall die...she ate, she died. So you have the "action" part of it but then you have the heart motives. God judges the heart right? Not just actions. God asks questions He already knows the answers to. Like when they were hiding from God and the Lord called to man and said "where are you?" As if God didn’t know where he was! God asks questions for US to understand what we have done and why.

 Did Eve REALLY get the full understanding of what had happened? I know there is another thread I was reading yesterday where they are discussing babies dying and going to heaven. Many of course are saying that because babies do not understand sin they are not accountable for it. It goes back to the "willful" sin. Eve obviously knew not to eat of it because she told the serpent, but how was it told to her? We know God directly told Adam before Eve was made, and God brought that up with Adam after the fall. But did Adam just tell her in passing day? Did she go to pick from it as they moved from tree to tree and Adam suddenly said "don’t touch that or eat it cos you will die, God told me". We don’t know how she knew or how it was told to her. The Serpent obviously knew she was an easier target. God told Adam directly, Adam named all the animals and the serpent went to Eve. When Eve answered God "what is this you have done?" God immediately dealt with the serpent first.


 Deception ....if you think about it in today’s terms....say for example (and this is theoretical before anyone jumps at this one) a guy asks me out on a date and I go out with him. He tells me he is single but my friends tell me he is married. But what I hear from my friends is just "hear say”. Everything about the guy tells me he isn’t. He lives alone; there are no obvious signs that he is. After going on a few dates I find out it is true, he is married, where he lives is just a "work base" whilst his job takes him away from home a few weeks at a time. The fact remains I dated a married guy which is wrong...and the consequences of that would be a very angry wife on my case! But did I do it deliberately? Heart intentions are important.


 In Eve's case, if she heard "hear say" from Adam regarding the tree she should have gone directly to God herself and heard it firsthand. It is interesting in how God dealt with Eve in this instance. “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing". As you know, women can die in child birth. One of my friends mum did when she had her and I nearly died when I had my first child. What does that do for women? Seek God with all her heart, pray through pregnancy and delivery. It keeps her reliant on God to keep her safe. When you are facing a situation like that who else can you turn to? Then we see God says "your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you". You can look at these 2 ways. Either God is saying "I" will now make this happen because of sin. A relationship that was meant to be a joy, blessing and total fulfillment will now be fraught with anguish and hardship and loneliness, never being fully understood (listen to women who are in relationships talk) or God is saying "due to the fall of man" this is now what will happen. If you remember what God commissioned them both to do at the start "conquer" the earth....but never another person. Sin has now distorted that commission. Look at Babel how that sin has taken over. Men want to rule the world AND people, they want to dominate the world. Whichever way you look at it, Eve is now going to suffer as a result of the fall, but the good side to that is again as I said in child birth...who is she now going to turn to, to fill in that deep longing in her heart to be fulfilled and love to the core of her being? It says in Hos 2: 6-7 "Therefore I will block her path with thorn bushes: I will wall her in so she cannot find her way. She will chase after her lovers but cannot catch them. She will look for them but not find them". Women will NEVER be satisfied in life until they find their first love. They have no choice but to seek Him with all their heart to a depth that they were made for, crave for. She will seek God and hear things first hand....not "hear say".


 As for the man, "because you have listened to your wife" needs to learn to listen to God, be obedient to what he is told and not be side tracked by other human beings. So yes, Timothy is right when it says “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must remain silent"...why?....cos the guys have GOT to learn to seek God with all their heart and listen to Him. Man failed on this, it is something he has got to learn for himself. Even if a woman is full of Gods wisdom, anointed by the Lord how will a guy ever learn this mistake if he isn't looking to God first and foremost


 As for the woman, she should learn in quietness and full submission....who to? Man or God?


 If you say man due to scriptures like "wives submit to your husbands" or "submit to your church leaders" then you have to understand the context in which the word "submit" was used and why. The original word can be translated into 7 things, one of them being "be gently persuaded".....wives be gently persuaded by your gently persuaded by your church leaders. King James wanted to rule, it obvious why he chose the word "submit" rather than "be gently persuaded" but you have to ask yourself which one is more like Gods nature? Is God into control? Did He not give Adam and eve free will? Did He not say “I stand at the door knocking"...not” I’m going to knock the door down"....He is a gentleman, He is not controlling. Hos 2 “I am now going to allure her. I will lead her into the desert and speak tenderly to her".....does God speak with an element of control?


 Control, domineering attitudes towards women...using scripture to fuel that is not of His nature.


 One of my favorite scriptures is at the end of Job chapter 42: 15 “nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Jobs daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers"


 It took an encounter with the Living God for Job to realize something outstanding, and from point on he treated his daughters with equality with his sons.

Saturday, July 6, 2013

Attraction, Spiritual or Physical



There are the things we do not see, such as the air we breathe, and the things we see such as each other.

We see death in what we physically see, and no death in the air we breathe, even as the physical dies every day.

So what is eternal and what is not?

2 Corinthians 4:18

So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

So having eyes that see what is temporary that passes away, just as we all have seen this to be true by physical death, and decaying of materials, and the death in animals. Yet we continue to reproduce life in all its forms.

Is it that we overlook the eternal, as the physical attractions draw our attentions to them? Whether it is a person, animal, place or thing?

When we are born here into this world, had been created by Mom and Dad getting together one grows in the womb or twins, triplets and on and on the possibilities go. No matter what one has to enter through the womb to be physically seen in and of the flesh is this world is this correct?

Now as I see no matter what the physical, it can’t continue on without the mating, is this true?

Now since we are born here in the flesh and are just going to die one day or night, 100% of us, and the only way this can continue to go on is through mating since we all die eventually of the flesh and blood. So if no mating then there is no life in the flesh and blood is this correct? Even though this earth is well over populated, more births happening than deaths

Now since the physical, flesh all dies eventually, why are a lot of us attracted to the physical as we are, and just can’t seem to let it go of it, since all flesh dies, eventually?

I mean we get so emotionally attached, and when whatever we are attached to dies, we are thus beside ourselves. Wondering why this is when we know the physical has not got eternity, it dies, all of it. Decays and rots, tarnishes and is not made forever.

Again if I were blind physically, could not see, would I get as attached to this world that is perishing? Maybe by and through feeling things that do feel good, yet I don’t think as attached, how about you?

Now I know that if I am blind physically, then I need a way to get around in this world so I do not trip and stumble. I would still be blind to what is eternal, not being able to see the air, whether we are physically blind or not. Either way we know it is there or if we do not breathe we die physically. So we automatically breathe and live; now to continue on living here in the flesh and blood, we also need to eat to live life in the flesh here on earth, if we do not we still die, of mal-nutrition.

Is there any escape from the emptiness of that no matter what one does here in the physical flesh here on earth? For when I die, you die or anyone else dies, we leave behind all that we did in the flesh to whomever either destroys what one might have built, and or maintains it, yet not in the same way you did.

Sounds pretty much fruitless yes, all useless, of no gain. So is anything here on this earth physically here worth ever being Emotional about?

What a tangled web human kind has weaved, storing this and destroying that. Holding onto this material or that and putting one’s faith in other Human being and or animal of some sort. No matter what we do, all dies physically.

So in seeing that air goes on forever, and is not destroyed, just like energy cannot be created or destroyed it is just here.

I thus see not of the physical form but of the Spiritual form that is the same as we know of the air that no one sees, yet we can feel the air when it is in wind form.


John 3:5-8 New International Version (NIV)

5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

Do we believe this, do we see this?

Is believing seeing or seeing believing?

What we physically see is not Eternal so then it is what we do not see that is Eternal? Is this what Christ came to show us our need to seeing in the Spirit above the Flesh?

I think so since the Apostles said:

2 Corinthians 5:16

Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.


Christ is only today known by the Spirit and God today can only be worshipped by the Spirit of God

John 4:23

But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.

John 4:24

God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”


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